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    Do you believe in censorship?

    There is a famous story that goes something like this:

    An elderly philosopher asks a young woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars. She says “yes.” The philosopher asks if she would sleep with him for a hundred dollars. She replies “of course not!  What sort of a woman do you thing I am?” The philosopher’s reply “we have already established that. Now we are haggling over price.”

    This is applicable to censorship. Take a look at these questions.

    • Is it right to take down a site that has child pornography?
    • Is it right to take down a site that calls for the death of abortionists?
    • Is it right to take down a site that denies the Holocaust? (such statements are against the law in several countries.)
    • Is it right to take down a site that advocates the overthrow of a government by means of violence and terror?
    • Is it right to take down a site that advocates the overthrow of a government by peaceful means?
    • Is it right to take down a site that libels or defames an individual?
    • Is it right to take down a site that advocates the breaking of a law? (The answer “it depends on the law” is a yes answer.)

    If you said yes to any of those questions you are supporting censorship plain and simple. The issue is not really one that is binary. There are levels of gray in the discussion. Different people are going to draw the line at different places. And in fact depending on the situation they are going to draw it differently on different cases and events. Are people who draw the line differently than you automatically mean, cruel and evil? I don’t think so.

    Coming back to the issue in my last post, the blogger in China, would I have made a different call? I’d like to think so but I don’t really know. Some people would have you believe the issue is cut and dried but is it? Really? It sounds like they don’t have any more information about what really happened than I do. And of course they have nothing to lose by saying they would have done it differently. What wonderful courage to play with the lives and livelihoods of others at no risk to themselves. And they get to take a popular stand with their readers at the same time. Yeah, risky. Courageous.

    I do think that Microsoft should make more details available. I think that would put more pressure on who ever forced them to do what they did to explain themselves. But they probably will not because that would take some courage and put people at risk. Not American people though – more likely Chinese people. Americans could more easily get jobs after standing up to the Chinese government than Chinese people could. Still I'd like to see them find a way. Openness and more information is the best answer when there is a lack of good information. Someone (other than me) has to make some tough decision around all this. They have more information and more to think about than I do.

    There are times when I think we should all stop doing business with China until they become a democracy. And then I think about how well that has worked with Cuba. On the other hand trade with the Soviet blog seems to have contributed to the fall of Communism there. If all the American companies get forced out of China who will be left? Well all the countries in Europe for starters. I’m not so impressed with their record on standing up to tyrants. Look at how much France was willing to send to Iraq to support Saddam! And look at how much censorship those governments enforce around their own histories and political activity. In the long run I think it is better if American companies are there. Occasionally a blogger is forced to move hosting services and that is wrong and it is a shame on us all. But is it enough to paint a company as an evil servant of tyranny and a threat to human rights? Give me a break.

     

    BTW just as a reminder that while I am a Microsoft employee I am not speaking as a representative of the company. I have nothing to do with how anyone other than myself is managed and I am not part of the MSN Spaces part of the company. So these are just my personal opinions.

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    11월 2일
    mix님이 남긴 글:
    In some spheres it would be useful
    7월 15일
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    John 님이 남긴 글:
    I don't believe censorship.  It is an old discussion.  Human being have to right to express itself and hear the different voice
    6월 17일
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    Ajay Pal Singh Atwal 님이 남긴 글:
    There are some more questions that can be added in the list provided by you.
    (NOTE: w and x are imaginary people, y is an imaginary god of some imaginary religion z)

    a) x claming god y of religion z is a dummy.
    b) x saying there is no y.
    c) w saying I will ki[ck/ll] x if it says so
    d) x saying to w, you cant abuse me.
    e) x claiming w stands for wmd.
    f) w saying x is a *******.
    and so many more.

    Its a matter of how much we can tolerate and compromise and go about something called live and let live, and try to find an equilibrium, untill our back is against the wall and its time to hit back.

    May be it is just "How to survive", either through compromise or no compromise or a little compromise, in this not so perfect world.
    3월 8일
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    Göko 님이 남긴 글:
    Anna, but i hope you are not naive enough to think that they never censor anything??? All of those companies censor, and they censor what they feel...i am taking LJ for an example, you know they have an "abuse team" ? Googles blogspot has the "de-list" if you haven't came accross any of these than you need to come across it here...here is an interesting article....

    Russian bloggers censored by their San Franciscan hosts?
    By Jan Frel, 07/08/2005 - 2:22am

    There's a great story over at the Russian ex-pat English paper, The eXile, about a online controversy that started with LiveJournal's Abuse Team closing down a nationalist Russian's blog. The crime? A photoshop adaption of a Soviet propaganda poster from WWII, rewritten to spout some fairly banal anti-Western sentiment:

    The story began sometime in May: a certain user vchk, blogging on the Russian sector of the Livejournal site, uploaded an old Soviet propaganda poster that had a Slavic child against the backdrop of a dead woman and a burning village. The inscription was supposed to read "Daddy, kill a German!" But vchk -- or whoever messed with the original -- wrote it the cute way: Kill a NATO soldier.

    Then, about a month and a half ago, after an anonymous denunciation to Livejournal's now infamous Abuse Team led to the guy's blog getting closed down, several politically-minded bloggers, including a mathematician named Mikhail Verbitsky (the now-defunct user Tiphareth), organized a virtual flashmob in support of Livejournal's first Russian political victim. Dozens of people started posting "Ubei NATOvtsa" or "Ubei NATO" in solidarity. The provocation -- as some called it -- led to a massacre indeed: according to unofficial estimates, some 20-30 blogs -- including Tiphareth's -- were deleted for indecency, violence, or violations of the Abuse Team's Terms of Service. Some were restored after users deleted the offensive posts, while some, like Tiphareth, proudly refused and took their blogging business elsewhere.

    There's also an accompanying article in the same issue of the eXile that describes the Russian Livejournal community as more intellectually vibrant than the American one. The author argues that all the most talented bloggers in Russia all congregated at LiveJournal, creating a blog hub black hole that once it got started had a powerful magnetic pull... something along the lines of what the Scoop group-blog format has done for the discourses on everything from the Oakland A's to the Democratic Party.

    The LiveJournal has more than three million American users, with an average age about 18 years old. It is the usual teenage stuff -- bitching about boyfriends, "Got sooo wasted at Jim's place last night," "I am starting a new job tomorrow, bagging at CostCo." Only a tiny percentage of these blogs is of any interest to more than a dozen of blogger's immediate friends.

    The Russian LiveJournal domain is different. For some reason since the beginning (around 2001) it has attracted a disproportionably high number of the "Who's Who" in the informational and cultural space -- journalists, writers, publishers, politicians, etc. Russian is the largest non-English domain of the LiveJournal, with almost 200,000 accounts. Most of it is dross, like anywhere else. Nevertheless it is incomparably more engrossing than the American version. In the American domain one can jump from one blog to another for hours without encountering anything particularly eye-catching. Once you get in the Russian domain, within two or three clicks you'll find something memorable -- an outrageous sex diary, some really edgy photos or drawings, a sharp political commentary.

    It does not mean, of course, that America doesn't have interesting blogs -- there are quite a lot of them, but its blogspaces are much more fragmented, whereas Russian blogs are more concentrated on the LJ.

    In fact I don't remember such a robust nation-wide internet political community (bringing together broad intellectual elite with their readers in a single space) since the days of the IntelectualCapital.com, which ended with the Internet bubble; incidentally, its only foreign edition was in Russian. Yet even the Intellectual Capital in the best days barely had 10% of the fun of the Russian LJ now.
    1월 17일
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    Alfred Thompson 님이 남긴 글:
    If you know of companies who have refused requests from the Chinese government to take down the blogs of Chinese citizens who have signed Chinese terms of service I would love a pointer. I do not know of any. Microsoft did not do this on their own. Are you saying that China uses Microsoft products to firewall their country? That is news to me. And if so are they using special coding or are they missusing features that are intended for more reasonable use?
    1월 10일
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    Anna 님이 남긴 글:
    I am a bit confused, though.

    Blogger does not feel the need to take down sites that offend the Chinese government.

    Nor does livejournal, MT, deadjournal, journalfen, blurty, typepad, or any other major blogging software that I've come across.

    So... why does Microsoft?

    Why does Microsoft continue to support the programming that creates the Great Firewall that protects your average Chinese internet user from such subversive sites as Geocities, Slashdot, Yahoo, the Globe and Mail, the New York Times, and the White House's website?

    I'm not asking you this as someone who works for Microsoft, as I don't expect you to be able to answer questions for your company. I can't for mine.

    But I do want to know your opinion, since what you've written makes it look like you believe that no one, no company, would have made a different choice.

    When some companies obviously have.
    1월 10일

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